{"id":1251,"date":"2008-02-01T10:17:32","date_gmt":"2008-02-01T15:17:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jetnation.com\/?p=1251"},"modified":"2019-11-28T07:06:37","modified_gmt":"2019-11-28T11:06:37","slug":"cap-chat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/miletestsite.com\/jets\/2008\/02\/01\/cap-chat\/","title":{"rendered":"Cap Chat"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/miletestsite.com\/jets\/graphics\/Articles\/headers\/nyj.gif\" align=\"right\" height=\"61\" width=\"103\" \/><strong>By Sperm Edwards<\/strong> <o><\/o><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">There has been some chatter about the future of some Jets players who are under contract for next year (or longer). I&#8217;m going to keep this to players that are ON the Jets, not make it an article-long wish-list of &#8220;we should get&#8230;&#8221; <!--more-->players with justification (if not rationalization) for each.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s start with QB. <strong>Kellen Clemens <\/strong>is all but assured a spot on this team. Then there&#8217;s <strong>Chad<\/strong> <strong>Pennington<\/strong>, who lost the starting job in &#8217;07.<\/p>\n<p>If <st1 w:st=\"on\"><\/st1><st1 w:st=\"on\">Chad<\/st1> doesn&#8217;t win the job back they can trade him before the season starts. Of course by then, even though it clears up more &#8217;08 cap space, the big FA&#8217;s are generally gone and the draft is long since over.<\/p>\n<p>Barring a pre-draft trade, or a mid\/late-summer 2009\/round 2 trade offer from some suddenly-desperate team who just lost their starting QB for the season, I think he stays in &#8217;08 whether he wins the job or not. I doubt they just dump him post-draft for the sake of dumping him. <strong>Mangini <\/strong>would probably be more than happy to have him as a backup, even if he is an overpriced one.<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I&#8217;d rather throw his $5M salary at a lineman (or to upgrade from a $3M lineman to an $8M lineman), but what do I know.<\/p>\n<p>Same thing goes for <strong>DRob<\/strong>. Would I rather have a $7.6M salary ($10M cap space) thrown at DRob or <strong>Asante Samuel<\/strong> (or other FA&#8217;s of greater value to this team: <strong>Suggs<\/strong>, <strong>Lilja<\/strong>, <strong>Faneca<\/strong>, <strong>Gross<\/strong>, <strong>Starks<\/strong>, or <strong>Haynesworth<\/strong>, among others)? <!--[if gte vml 1]><v :shapetype id=\"_x0000_t75\"  coordsize=\"21600,21600\" o:spt=\"75\" o:preferrelative=\"t\" path=\"m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe\"  filled=\"f\" stroked=\"f\">  <v :stroke joinstyle=\"miter\"\/>  <\/v><v :formulas>   <v :f eqn=\"if lineDrawn pixelLineWidth 0\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"sum @0 1 0\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"sum 0 0 @1\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"prod @2 1 2\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"prod @3 21600 pixelWidth\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"prod @3 21600 pixelHeight\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"sum @0 0 1\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"prod @6 1 2\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"prod @7 21600 pixelWidth\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"sum @8 21600 0\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"prod @7 21600 pixelHeight\"\/>   <v :f eqn=\"sum @10 21600 0\"\/>  <\/v>  <v :path o:extrusionok=\"f\" gradientshapeok=\"t\" o:connecttype=\"rect\"\/>  <o :lock v:ext=\"edit\" aspectratio=\"t\"\/> <v :shape id=\"_x0000_i1025\" type=\"#_x0000_t75\" alt=\"\" style='width:12pt;  height:12pt'>  <v :imagedata src=\"file:\/\/\/C:\\DOCUME~1\\PHIL~1.DBT\\LOCALS~1\\Temp\\msohtml1\\12\\clip_image001.gif\"   o:href=\"https:\/\/miletestsite.com\/jets\/forums\/images\/smilies\/rolleyes.gif\"\/> <\/v>< ![endif]--><!--[if !vml]--><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"file:\/\/\/C:\/DOCUME%7E1\/PHIL%7E1.DBT\/LOCALS%7E1\/Temp\/msohtml1\/12\/clip_image001.gif\" title=\"Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)\" class=\"inlineimg\" v:shapes=\"_x0000_i1025\" border=\"0\" height=\"16\" width=\"16\" \/><!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p>When you&#8217;re potentially this far under the cap (upwards of $40-45M with some big-salary departures), you can afford to not only throw big bonus money at newcomers, but you can really front-load the contract in year one in the form of a roster bonus instead of a signing bonus. The cap number on the remaining years become closer to the player&#8217;s true salary without the additional $3M-ish every year in amortized SB.<br \/>\n<!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br \/>\n<!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><strong>The Jets are (reportedly) at +$27M now.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>They don&#8217;t even have to do post-6\/1 releases to clear up more cap room. Meaning cutting them this year leaves zero dead cap space in &#8217;09 and beyond. The # in <span style=\"color: red\">red <\/span>is the additional savings if we designate the player as a post 6\/1 cut, but <strong><span style=\"color: red\">that amount would become dead space in 2009<\/span><\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>DRob <\/strong>= $5.5M \/ <span style=\"color: red\">+$2M<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Chad <\/strong>= $1.8M \/ <span style=\"color: red\">+$3M<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Barrett <\/strong>= $3M \/ <span style=\"color: red\">+$1M<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Barton <\/strong>= $3M \/ <span style=\"color: red\">(same; it&#8217;s his last yr anyway)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>McCareins <\/strong>= $2M \/ <span style=\"color: red\">+$1M<\/span> (I&#8217;m a little shaky on his # b\/c the Jets fudged with it a little in the late fall)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Vilma <\/strong>= $1M <span style=\"color: red\">(same; it&#8217;s his last yr anyway) <\/span>(would be for a trade; not for cap relief)<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br \/>\n<strong>$42-43M under the &#8217;08 cap.<\/strong> Without losing a single player who should be in the long-term plans of a team that uses a 3-4 base defense, and without any future dead cap space from these players&#8217; departures.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Now there are other possibilities via trade\/release as well:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Coles <\/strong>$2-3M \/ <span style=\"color: red\">+$2-3M <\/span>(like Vilma, via trade; I can&#8217;t see him being released)<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Ellis <\/strong>is roughly a break-even; costs ~the same to keep him, so again he&#8217;ll probably be on the team unless they get a good trade offer. <span style=\"color: red\">+$2M?<\/span> post 6\/1?<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Dyson <\/strong>would be a similar break-even; if he goes it&#8217;s because Mangini wants him off the team. He makes nothing in salary ($1.2M) for a potential starting CB.<span style=\"color: red\"> +$1.2M<\/span> post 6\/1.<\/p>\n<p>So the potential is there to be have almost $60M of cap space cleared up for 2008. But that&#8217;s a fantasy-land number. It doesn&#8217;t make fiscal sense, as you can&#8217;t (practically) use $60M in cap room on FA&#8217;s in one year; there <strong>are<\/strong> other teams looking for FA&#8217;s themselves. Plus it would create $13M in new dead cap space for &#8217;09, which is absurd unless they are desperate for that space in &#8217;08 (which they are not).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Keep in mind there are a couple of significant new contracts we&#8217;re already looking at:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <st1 w:st=\"on\"><strong>Rhodes<\/strong><\/st1><strong> <\/strong>(there is absolutely no reason to fail to re-sign him). Guessing in the $4-6M\/yr range since there&#8217;s no bidding-war for him with a year left on his rookie deal, but I really don&#8217;t know what the target price tag would be for him since he wasn&#8217;t even a <em>second <\/em>alternate for the pro bowl.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>#6 overall pick<\/strong> (based on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rotoworld.com\/content\/playerpages\/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&amp;id=4178\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">LaRon Landry&#8217;s &#8217;07 rookie contract<\/a>)should be in the range of 5-6 yrs @ $8.5M\/yr with ~$18-19M in bonus\/guarantees. Though I don&#8217;t know how much of that deal is in incentives he may never realistically reach (not salary &amp; not guaranteed\/scheduled bonus money).<\/p>\n<p>I think we&#8217;re still paying about $2M this year for <strong>Kimo<\/strong>&#8216;s &#8217;06 contract. <!--[if gte vml 1]><v :shape  id=\"_x0000_i1026\" type=\"#_x0000_t75\" alt=\"\" style='width:12pt;height:12pt'>  <v :imagedata src=\"file:\/\/\/C:\\DOCUME~1\\PHIL~1.DBT\\LOCALS~1\\Temp\\msohtml1\\12\\clip_image002.gif\"   o:href=\"https:\/\/miletestsite.com\/jets\/forums\/images\/smilies\/pooh.gif\"\/> <\/v>< ![endif]--><!--[if !vml]--><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"file:\/\/\/C:\/DOCUME%7E1\/PHIL%7E1.DBT\/LOCALS%7E1\/Temp\/msohtml1\/12\/clip_image002.gif\" title=\"Pooh\" class=\"inlineimg\" v:shapes=\"_x0000_i1026\" border=\"0\" height=\"16\" width=\"16\" \/><!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p>On the plus-side, <strong>Curtis Martin<\/strong> is now (finally) off the books. <!--[if gte vml 1]><v :shape  id=\"_x0000_i1027\" type=\"#_x0000_t75\" alt=\"\" style='width:11.25pt;height:11.25pt'>  <v :imagedata src=\"file:\/\/\/C:\\DOCUME~1\\PHIL~1.DBT\\LOCALS~1\\Temp\\msohtml1\\12\\clip_image003.gif\"   o:href=\"https:\/\/miletestsite.com\/jets\/forums\/images\/smilies\/icon_wink.gif\"\/> <\/v>< ![endif]--><!--[if !vml]--><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"file:\/\/\/C:\/DOCUME%7E1\/PHIL%7E1.DBT\/LOCALS%7E1\/Temp\/msohtml1\/12\/clip_image003.gif\" title=\"Wink\" class=\"inlineimg\" v:shapes=\"_x0000_i1027\" border=\"0\" height=\"15\" width=\"15\" \/><!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p>It should be an exciting spring for the Jets. If not, I&#8217;ll post Mike Tannenbaum&#8217;s home &amp; cell phone numbers here, lol.<\/p>\n<p>Go Jets!<o><\/o><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Sperm Edwards There has been some chatter about the future of some Jets players who are under contract for next year (or longer). 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